This is just plain wrong.

[chaotic_nipple]

Forwarded from schrathe:

Iran to hang teenage girl attacked by rapists.

"Tehran, Iran, Jan. 07 – An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.

The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005.

Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girls’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless.

She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand.

As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said.

The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death."

Someone explain to me again how Western Culture is supposed to be so sexist and evil?

Clarification to snarky comment: No, I don't think that Western Culture is perfect. It has a wide variety of problems that will take lifetimes to fix. I maintain that we have come farther towards the goal of universal equality than any other contemporary (or most historical) society, and claiming that we're "just as bad", or worse, than the rest of the world, is counterproductive, and only serves to alienate or discourage people whao want to make our society better than it already is. Also, it encourages run-on sentences.

Note: It would be most appreciated if everyone were to make at least a token effort towards civil discussion, and _not_ immediately assume that disagreement and/or criticism is tantamount to a personal attack. Thank you.

Funny, both of the flame wars that have taken place on my blog were instigated by the same person. What are the odds?

Comments

[soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com]

Oh for Pete's sake.

I happen to think that militant Islam, like militant religion, is a cancer, and like any cancer, it should be erradicated.

Same with those idiot Christians who make my religion look bad.

Sorry if I live my life and find my humor in a way you don't approve of.

[ginmar.livejournal.com]

Sorry if I'm not a mind reader who takes you at face value when you omit everything you just claimed you feel---retroactively, of course.

[soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com]

Forget this.

You don't read my LJ, and I don't phrase things the way you think they should be on someone else's LJ.

I'm relatively sure that you skipped my rant about stupid intolerant assholes, so you can decide what ever you want about what I feel/think/express myself.

Honestly, I've got more on my plate than pleasing you with how I phrase myself, or the order in which I present my thoughts.

You've got some great things to say, Gin, even if I happen to be everything you despise in a feminist, so I'm just going to wish you a good day.

[ginmar.livejournal.com]

that's interesting. You totally avoided dealing with what I actually said and went off into defensive tangents. It's very simple. I called you on your language; you backpedaled, and now you're bitching that you don't have to say things the way I want you to. That wasn't THE issue, though, was it?

I express myself very plainly. If I'd accused you of saying something other than you had, you'd have been insulted by that as well. I took you at your exact words. I guess you find that offensive.

Whatever. I didn't demand you say anything in any particular fashion; that's just paranoid. What I dod do was take you at your word. Sorry if you got nailed for it, but that's sloppy language useage and I hae nothing else to go on.

[dekarch.livejournal.com]

Perhaps when a country run by Christian priests sentences a girl to death for defending herself against a rapist in the 21st century, you might be within screaming distance of a point.

Until then, go fuck yourself.

[ginmar.livejournal.com]

OMG, is the big stwong man going to defend his ladylove?

So nice to see you're still as much of a sexist asshole as you always were, pretenses notwithstanding. What, are you like nice to one woman and a complete and total asshole to everyone else who's uppity? Twu wove. Fuck off, Mr. Protests Too Much.

[soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com]

Fuck off yourself, Gin.

I don't control John and he's more than likely to let me defend myself than he is to jump in. Islam is something he's interested in, and the constant slamming of Western culture because we're just not fucking enlightened enough is annoying.

Forgive my ignorance...

[seferin.livejournal.com]

but aren't there parts out America where the government, due to Christian influence, wishes to prevent rape victims from taking contraception, so that not only are they raped, but they must also bear the child of this rapist?

Re: Forgive my ignorance...

[dekarch.livejournal.com]

There are parts of America where practically every practice is performed by some person or group of people. That's the nature of having 300 million people of every cultural extraction on the planet.

Iran, on the other hand, is almost entirely (99%+) of one religious persuasion, the Muslims having put to the sword nearly the entire Christian population and come within a hair's breath of eradicating the native Zoroastrian religion. They are (excepting the Kurdish population in the NE and a handful of frontier tribes near Afghanistan) of essentially one ethnic group.

The two cases are somewhat dissimillar.

I find it odd to compare denial of contraception (actually abortion-inducing drugs if you are speaking of after the fact of the rape) to the execution of the victim. The cases are not quite analogous in my mind. I've had people try to kill me, but never had to bear a rapist's child. So it is possible that I am overestimating the negative consequences of Death.

But not very possible.

[jackytar.livejournal.com]

Bush comes perilously close to making that a fair description of the US.

Allow me to assist you in fucking yourself with my size 12 seaboots applied to your ass.

[dekarch.livejournal.com]

Ooooh! Look! Ginmar's flunkies are arriving! And the most original thing you have to offer is threatened physical violence! You're sooooo intimidating over the internet! That's the cool thing about the web. Any pencil-necked geek can be a raging badass because he knows he won't have to back it up!

Bring in on, smartass. Camp Beuhring, Kuwait. Tent 16-37, ask anyone, they know where I sleep.

[chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com]

Language! My Mommy reads this, only I'm allowed to cuss here!

[soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com]

that's interesting. You totally avoided dealing with what I actually said and went off into defensive tangents. It's very simple. I called you on your language; you backpedaled, and now you're bitching that you don't have to say things the way I want you to. That wasn't THE issue, though, was it?

No, the issue seemed to be that my attitudes are invalid because I didn't preface my comments with what you think is correct.

I express myself very plainly. If I'd accused you of saying something other than you had, you'd have been insulted by that as well. I took you at your exact words. I guess you find that offensive.

No, what I find offensive is that you seem to fixate on the fact that I didn't slam stupid Christians in the same sentence, so I must have been condoning the stupid whackjobs that make my religion look bad.

Whatever. I didn't demand you say anything in any particular fashion; that's just paranoid. What I dod do was take you at your word. Sorry if you got nailed for it, but that's sloppy language useage and I hae nothing else to go on.

This isn't my job. I don't sit here and edit everything for journalistic clarity. If I were writing this for work, then yeah, I'd probably make sure that I did.

[ginmar.livejournal.com]

So you don't express yourself clearly but everyone's just supposed to trust you? Yeah, sure. You first.

[chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com]

Why is it that you complain so loudly when people are disruptive or rude in your own livejournal, but have no compunctions about engaging is the same behaviours in other people's spaces?

[ginmar.livejournal.com]

That's funny, because I don't have disruptive or rude poeple in my LJ. I have trolls. What's also funny is that I don't see you nailing either of your two buddies for the various ad homs they started tossing around. But I guess that doesn't bother you, does it?

[lavendertook.livejournal.com]

Totally agreed. If you really appreciate civil disagreement, then it's not Gin here you'd be throwing accusations at. You're being a lousy host to her.

[chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com]

You're saying you'd rather I called you a troll?

"What's also funny is that I don't see you nailing either of your two buddies for the various ad homs they started tossing around."

I've told them to play nice too.

"But I guess that doesn't bother you, does it?"

Given that it seems to me that you deliberately started this argument, with malice aforethought and abusive sarcasm for all, then no, it doesn't bother me as much.

[lavendertook.livejournal.com]

I happen to think that militant Islam, like militant religion, is a cancer, and like any cancer, it should be erradicated.


Then there was no reason to get so defensive to what Gin said above--she was articulating what your short response above didn't articulate. An "oh yeah, I agree" would have worked fine, instead of taking issue with what she said. And now she's putting up with ad hominem attacks from you and your husband. If you're not going to apologize, then at least quit it.

[chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com]

To me, it looks like ginmar started the snarking, and the dynamic duo of was merely responding in kind. Just my opinion, of course, but as the boss of this house, my word is LAW! Mwahahaha!!!!

[lavendertook.livejournal.com]

Hey, knock yourself out.

[soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com]

What do I have to apologize for?

You start slamming both my husband and my marrige when the only thing you've looked at is what you see on Live Journal, you're not about to get anything but contempt from me. That's a generic "you," just in case anyone wants to scream about sloppy word usage.

I just told her to fuck off, I didn't say anything else about her.

[chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com]

And now that that's out of the way, we'll all be happy and avoid the mean four letter words, right?!?!? (twitch) (twitch)

[soldiergrrrl.livejournal.com]

Sure. We'll all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, and the world will be peachy.

[chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com]

I was actually thinking "Anarchy in the UK", but Kumbaya works.